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31 Jan 2019 01:47 AM
VillageGuard
By: VillageGuard

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DDossing Is Becoming A Plague And Is Damaging PSN's Service.

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A lot of people use weird programs to Doss, normally people I encounter PAY for that service. The more I looked into it the money looks like it goes to reaalllly shady places. PSN fails to protect people's information as a result of this janky peer to peer service, and ultimately when I or others get dossed it results in unplugging my modem for ten minutes and I'm back on. This effects your whole internet, your other services you may be using.

Playstation's janky protection not only results in someone knowing your city, but someone can actually effect other things going on that could be important. I'd be the first to come at Sony if I did lose out on MONEY because of their facebook like security.

Now Dossing is one of the more extreme forms of cyber bullying, and it should be treated as such. We should be able to report dossers, and you know what, throw in a button to report to ICANN too. Dossing actually is not legal. Playstation's tolernace of it is repugnant, and quite honestly after having my online taken away from my online gaming numerous times, I wonder why I play with other people on PSN.

Sony needs to give more options of reporting to the player. It's not morally okay. It isn't tolerable. It affects other services. It is potentially aiding black market crime. It needs to have consequences.

  • Zirod

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    DoS = denial of service (single target)

    DDoS = distributed denial of service. (multiple targets)

     

    What it does is disrupt connections by sending massive ammounts of connection signals to a source, which exeedes the capasity to handle them, thereby breaking the connection. There is generally no security risk involed with a DoS or DDoS attack. And while not legal, it is very difficult to identify the source of an attack.

     

    If rebooting your modem corrects the problem, that means it was your service connection that was attacked, and there is nothing Sony can do about that. When a network such as PSN is attacked, customers can have trouble connecting for a significant ammount of time, which has happened on occasion. There hasn't been a significant DDoS attack on the PSN for quite some time now.

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  • vfr_800_rider (Support MVP)

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    Reporting to SONY a denial of service attack on your internet service attack is a waste of time - SONY can do NOTHING about it, cannot verify your claims and will not take action based on gamer outrage claims.  A DoS attack is between two individuals.  There is no "tolerance" by SONY, they don't know about it.  The fact that the user found your IP address because you gamed together is irrelevant - finding an IP address is simple and can be done at will with the simplest tools found all over the Internet.  And once an IP address is found it is public knowledge where that IP address is assigned - there is nothing new here.

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  • Sony does show neglect in not allowing a player to report it, and there are things they could do to stop it. Allowing users to do this on their playstation network is hurting their business, it was evidently so bad on Overwatch something HAD to be done. 

    Sony could deny online permissions to their PS4s. No Dossing is not new, but it is certainly not an outrage claim. It's on their platform, it's a Sony problem. What if I were to record the Dossers saying and doing it? Wouldn't Sony do something? If you're saying no, that's why I made this thread. It really harkens to Sony being late to telling everyone they were hacked on PS3. They have bad security and don't deserve a break, and after having been dossed well over 20 times, I laugh when the response is, "Aaaaww man nothing can be done." As if some dude in his house is more capable of disrupting my internet than Sony's platform being safer.

    If the response is go to your internet provider, that to me is more nonsensical, as they provide you access to just that.

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  • Zirod

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    DoS attacks are not happening from within the PSN. These people capture IPs and then use software on a PC to make the attack. Sony has no way of knowing that it is even happening, unless it is their systems being targeted. And Sony does not ban on request. If you report someone, they still have to see proof of a violation for themselves, or they will do nothing.

     

    A good defense is a router with a good firewall. One that will disguise your IP so IP sniffers won't find it. ISPs with dynamic IPs help, but there is not much else anyone can do until some technology is developed that can handle the problem.

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  • Look, when Equifax got breached, people didn't blame their ISP. When the DNC got hacked, they couldn't blame their ISP. Stop taking responsibility away from the service. When Facebook had their leak, they blamed a Terms of Use. Stop helping deflect it.

    If your product allows for this to happen, with no punishment, no way to report it, denying to take reports on criminal acts, yes Sony is the problem.

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  • Zirod

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    You are comparing apples and oranges. Hacking is not even remotely the same as DoS attacks, and you clearly haven't understood what has already been said. It's not my job to educate you.
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  • kisuma1 (Support MVP)

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    Since it was never mentioned, this section is for feedback regarding the forums. Sony has no official presence or issue statements here.

     

    Any topic pertaining to PlayStation that is not a forums or Support issue can be posted and discussed in PlayStation General section.

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  • I am aware Dossing is not hacking. I understand what dossing is. There's never been a circumstance where it's been acceptable to have cyber attacks that reveals peoples locations nor potentially affects other utilities carried out by average joes. This dossing thing has been given a pass, and it does the same thing. It's wrong, and there needs to be a way to report it. Pointing the finger at the ISP is utter nonsense.

    I could give you several scenarios where this could fiscally, in times of emergency, and entertainment be damaging. 

    Give PS4 players a way to report it, even if we need evidence. Then sony could see patterns with users and take action.

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  • kisuma1 (Support MVP)

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    "I understand what dossing is. "

     

    Just as with Zirod's post, then you should understand that an attack is sent directly to its target through their ISP, not PSN. If it was through the network Sony would see the attack; just like your ISP can; and begin to mitigate it. Sony pays for DDoS protection, can't say the same for ISPs. Another thing you should also know is that performing such an attack can be considered a federal crime depending on the situation.

     

     

    In the ten years I've been on PSN I've never been hit, much less threatened, with a DoS attack. That doesn't mean that it never happens and it's certainly not exclusive to PSN. People that do get hit with an attack tend to have a certain, personality. Maybe they were being a tad aggressive in COD or, got accused of cheating by a (typically) sore loser. There has been a number of different cases told on this very site.

     

    Avoiding certain games that make it easy to find an IP or an adjustment of behavior usually solves (in a personal sense) the problem. There is also the option of paying for a VPN service or purchasing networking equipment that offers DDoS protection.

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  • That is exactly why Sony needs to let you report it. I understand Sony is NOT aware. They have a problem. I was Dossed 3 times on red dead yesterday. Once again today. 

    Quite simply, this is horseshit. There's a problem, they need to let us act and report it. 

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  • I have been playing online for too many year's and have never been kicked off from a attack and it happened to you 3 times yesterday alone? Strange stuff indeed.

     

    You could always use a VPN, it can be done on a console with a little know how that should pretty much stop it as long as it's playing on a P2P connection which most games are just not all.

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  • What's stopping you from reporting it?
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  • Evidently Sony considers this an 'outrage' complaint. There's also no way to report it.
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  • Why would you say Sony considers it anything? Nobody talking to you work's for Sony in any capacity they're just regular people who game on Playstation.

     

    I told you your best and only solution and you just come back and say something like that?

     

    Get a VPN or deal with it! You're not gaming on Sony servers... You are either on dedicated game servers run by the game developer (rare on Playstation) Or playing on P2P servers (almost all games) and in that case you're playing on whatever gamer is selected as host connection being used as the server.

     

    What can Sony do? Same thing happens on Xbox and PC... Believe me I blame Sony for lot's but you seem confused to how this all work's and are misplacing blame. Just blame the asshats with too much time on their hands.

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  • No I am not the solution. Do the dossers use a psn? Yes. Will an ISP hold a user on their network dossing accountable? Yes. Does the dosser stop my playstation services on playstation? Yes 

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  • OK then obviously you can't read that well and understand what I said that's cool best of luck.
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  • What sort of reporting function would work for you?
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  • I can go above and beyond and report them to https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

    Sony should just allow a system to report hackers, dossers, and other tamperers. I'm not paying for a vpn or anything because of the dudes. They need to not be allowed on the psn.

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