The Last of Us: General Discussion
22 Oct 2017 09:53 AM
Tsagia
By: Tsagia

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Please,please don't make Ellie a lesbian!

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Hi,I recently got a PS4(this month actually)mostly for the exclusives and any old classic games,I wanted to enjoy the Naughty Dog games for a loooong time and now I finally got The Last of us and Uncharted 4,finished them both and absolutely 100% loved them.Already ordered the Crash Bandicoot trilogy and looking forward to getting the rest of the Uncharted games as well.

But back on topic.I absolutely LOVED every single bit of The last of us.It's just an epic journey,no doubt.Then I played "Left behind" and everything was going great untiiiiil the darn kiss moment.Now,I know a lot of people don't care about it,but hey,there's a lot of us who actually would love to see Ellie being straight or at least bisexual. I mean come on,you had a gay character already in the game,you made a point,but...please let that kiss of Ellie with Riley just be something like a tomboy heat of the moment thing or whatever.

I'm not trying to offend anyone,I'm just a straight male fan who'd just want Ellie to be straight.She could fall in love with a guy in Part II or something.Just...let that Riley kiss scene end there and not explore more of it.I mean before "Left behind" most of us,if not all,had the idea that Riley was just Ellie's best friend and that's all.And that friendship was very very strong.It doesn't have to be something...well more than that.Again,I know lots of lgbt people will probably go berserk now,but see it from the majority of the Christian/muslim/jewish fans' view as well :)

Anyway,that was,truly,the only part in the story that messed me up.The hint that Ellie could,just could be a lesbian.If you skip that part,everything else was absolutely amazing,epic and unforgettable.It took me 4 years to finally get to play this masterpiece but boy was it worth it!!!

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    Firstly I am not part of the "lgbt People" as you called them but there are plenty of straight heterosexual characters in games, they have been represented for years.  What scares you so much seeing other people represented in games?   Not everybody is the same in the world.  I dont think naughty dog was making a point about her being a lesbian anyway it was just about the love between two people they just happen to be two women/girls, and right about now love in all shapes and forms is what this world needs.
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  • Tsagia

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    When it comes to the main character,well I care a lot.There was Bill,Bill was gay.

    But Ellie,is 14,Ellie had this strong friendship with Riley and that's what I personally and many other people would like to see it like.That she was just best friends with Riley and nothing more.Nothing different.I just would love it if Naughty Dog didn't present her as a lesbian in Part II.

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  • ACE3883

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    ok
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  • Honestly, i couldn't careless if she's a bisexual or homosexual. Infact, i actually found the kiss to be really cute and special tbh :).

    But at the end of the day, this game is about survival, zombie and humanity, not a freakin romance....

    Having said that, i do wish she will have a baby, biologically or non-biologically, doesn't matter, as long as that mother phucker is a boy (cuz i get tired of the feminism cuckman BS already) Then it's perfectly cool to me.

    I'm curious tho, why do you want Ellie to be straight? Do you want to see a romance between a girl and a boy? Is that right?

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  • I'm with you Tsagia! If grown adults want to be gay, lesbian, bi or any of those, that's fine. But I have a HUGE problem when it infiltrates games, and anything dealing with children. Don't try to influence kids by putting this in games, I also draw the line there too. And you were very respectful when you posted your opinion, but people don't care. They still are offended because someone disagrees with them. I'm with you man! Games are completely fine without gay/lesbian couples.
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  • Naughty Dog have proven themselves to be excellent story tellers. Trust that, regardless of Ellie's orientation, they will do the story justice.

    Regarding characters, there are plenty of straight characters available in practically every video game made made up to this point. LGBT people deserve representation and positive examples of themselves in media just as much as anyone else, and there are far fewer examples of them in video games than straight characters. It's okay to let a character mean more to someone else than it does to you.

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  • ...Really? 

    I'm a straight male and I couldn't be happier about a triple A game developer finally acknowledging sexual diversity. 
    I actually think the fact that you enjoyed the game so much, and could relate to Ellie before you knew she was gay really tells a lot about your own prejudices. She was gay all along... if you cared for her all that time, maybe you're not as homophobic as you think... or maybe homosexuality isn't such a big deal after all? ;)

    As for Christian/muslim/jewish fans, if they're coherent at all, I'm thinking we already lost them with the brutal, senseless gore and violence. It is kind of funny that enjoyed such brutality with a smile... but a kiss "messed you up".

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  • Who gives a crap.  I just want to play the game.  Hurry up and finish it.  Well, dont hurry too much.  I dont want the game to be rushed either.
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  • I was hoping for Joel and Ellie to hook up.... Joking! The Last of Us is the best game I have ever played and can NOT wait until 2019. I really may be too old to game by then so fingers crossed for a 2018 relese. Regarding Ellie being gay, I think that ship has sailed. The kiss in LB was the start of that, but a Tweet fron Neil is what. I think puts the nail into the coffin. A player had said something like "Keep politics out of the game." I think regarding the gay thing, and Neil responded "No can do" and then something to the effect of writers write from their knowelege and view of the word. I'm paraphrasing, but I think Neil is willing to put what he wants into the games. The lost legacy replaced Nathan Drake, with Colie and NaNa, one of the most BA men ever and replaced him with 2 girls. Joel, the most BA man ever, replaced by Ellie. I don't want to speak for Neil, because he is the bomb, but I think he's gonna do what ever he wants, and so far it has made a few of the best five games I have ever played. I am a straight man from Oklahoma, but I would say just trust and hold on for an awesome ride!
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  • Just take the story as-is.
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  • You know your making them SJN(social Justice Nazis) mad right?
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  • Why is everyone acting like being a lesbian is a taboo and don't want to expose "kids" to that sort of thing? I didn't give a **** about Ellie being whatever she is but now you've shown that people are actually getting triggered because of a kiss i hope she goes round and makes out with all the girls in part II so you're ass is too ***** to play it 😂

     

    grow the **** up

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  • I agree with this guy! In my opinion it was so strange scene. Everything is good,but i can't believe that Ellie did this... it's really strange scene
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  • Stop.  Ellie as lesbian character is nice. I am really don't like survival horror games, but I buyed this game only because Ellie is lesbian.
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  • This is just my humble humble opinion but I think they did it well with Bill. He was an expert crafter and weapons specialist. Someone you definitely need in a world like that. His sexuality was hinted but it wasn't the main focus of the character. It was kinda like his private thing that he didn't need to bring up. Bottom line, great character overall. Ellie and Riley in Left Behind however was a bit off considering they were like 13 or something. Why are we sexualizing kids?
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  • CMcCMcC

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    Holy **** people. It's 2018. Ellie's gay. Who gives a ****. Any real fan of The Last Of Us learned that 4 years ago in the DLC. Anyone having a problem with homosexuality "infiltrating"(Dee_1906) video games, has a problem with homosexuality it'self. Maybe you need to think about why this bothers you. If two members of the same sex kissing disturbs you and you think it has no place in modern entertainment, you're the one with the problem. Wake the **** up.
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  • Okay as a female gamer who loved the first one and has been looking foward to part 2 for years now I have to say..I agree if Ellie is gay I'm just flat out gonna pass. I didn't do the dlc even though I had a season pass because I don't want to see children in sexual positions. They should of let the game be a game. Why did we have to know her sexual choices at all. I'm tired of the sjw lgbt narrative being shoved down my throat in tv shows, movies and games. I loved the uncharted series but took a pass on the last one..never liked chloe or Nadine. Not all strong females have to be lesbiens..Lara Croft and Aloy for example. 
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  • CMcCMcC

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    Dear Sparrowsong,

    You are homophobic. You’ve been excited to continue this story for years and are now not going to because the lead character is gay. I’m sorry to hear that. How fragile your life must be. At the time of the DLC, Ellie was 15. Ever have a crush on a boy or even *gasp!* kiss one when you were a freshman in high school? To answer your question, the writers choose to reveal her sexual preference in an effort to create loss. She cares very much for someone who is taken from her. For you, had that been a boy, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But you are right, not all female leads need to be lesbian. However, according to you, I guess none of them can be.

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  • to be completely honest, its a good thing. think about it, this is a rough enviorment, people are getting infected almost more than people are killing people. if ellie chose the ladies over the gentlemen, then she cant bring a child into this dark world, unlike her parents who brought her into the world, and left her. 

    also you are just assuming shes just lesbian, im sure she likes guys, except for the fact shes mostly seen how men can be, aka joel.

    also if you are looking for a character you like, just imagine her straight or bi then, everyone else does it when a new female character comes out. look as samus, people are already shipping her with princess peach since smash got shown.

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  • Dead-Sync (Support MVP)

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    For what it's worth, If anything, if game characters were modeled more like society overall (in the present), there would be MORE LGTBQ characters than there are currently in video games!

     

    When someone says "please make so-and-so straight" otherwise it will be 'messed up' or not as enjoyed as much. I think that's a very out-of-touch way to approach it. If you meet someone in the real world who you think is cool and they wind up being gay, would you go: "Aww man PLEASE don't be gay anymore! Consider my view! You should change because of the way I think of sexuality"

     

    So regardless of Ellie's sexual orientation (gay, or bi, etc.), I think her character is fully realized and developed. Not even considering Riley, and the state of society in TLoU, she could have been BORN with an attraction to women and that's something some folks might not consider. The only argument I can see being valud is "Please don't make a character a certain way JUST BECAUSE". Which luckily for us it's Naughty Dog, they value their characters, their development, and their stories and have carefully crafted Ellie's. I would certainly NOT want Ellie to be made straight JUST BECAUSE it would be more relatible to more people (such as myself, a straight male), because that would be a disservice to that character, and that franchise to make anything JUST BECAUSE.

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  • CMcCMcC

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    In an interview with Halley Gross, co-writer of Part II:

    “Ellie is gay. Ellie was born gay. This is just who she is. And to explore who she is as a teenager and as an adult, it wouldn’t be honoring her character to hide some facet of herself. We want to engage with her as a full character. She’s also a great shot, and a great fighter. But she’s also nineteen. Nineteen’s a fun age.”

     

    So there. Adios to those that now won’t be playing this amazing game. Lol your loss!

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  • CMcCMcC:

    I know I am going to play the game, because I don't give a flying s*** about Ellie's sexuality. It doesn't matter, if character in a game is gay, lesbian or straight. 

    I personally play these games, because the story they tell, not because one of the characters might be gay. Which on modern world is and above all, should be acceptable. If someone wants to be homophobic hypocrites, that's their problem. It's also their loss, like you already said. 

    I personally would add this to the mix: Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on your way out. I personally used to be somewhat homophobic, but I learned to accept it. 

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  • Does not matter to me. I like the character not matter how this plays out. 
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  • My my, haven't been on games forums in ages, I open the "Last of Us" forum here just because of reading up on something, and one topic title immediately grabs my attention as the entire reason I gave up on games forums. I'm not sure what's most disturbing here - the gratuitous display of a lack of a brain, or the inherent discrimination, or the fact that someone cares enough even about the sexual preference of a video game character to dedicate 4 long paragraphs to it.

    I'm happy to read the game's script writers have actually entered the 21st century and are actively working on making video games a more realistic portrayal of society, now if only the audience would get their collective heads out of the middle ages as well....

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